[Acoustics] Re: Delay in GPS processing rant (Aaron Blake, USGS)

Pedro Moreira pneto at rj.cprm.gov.br
Thu Apr 20 07:06:34 CDT 2006


Dear Dr. Blake and all,

 Two weeks after receiving and reading again your message, I remembered I 
had
already seen an alternative software for WinRiver, developed by a Netherland
company called Acquavision (http://www.aquavision.nl/). Some importants
software characteristics were copied and pasted below from Acquavision site.
Items 2 and 8 make it a possible solution for synchronization problem.

 So I want to know if anyone of you has experienced VISEA software. If so, 
what
observations you have to tell us.

After requesting registration, you can dowloand a trial version (37.7 MD) to 
use
freely during an evaluation period of 1 month.

 1)VISEA has an adjustable break pulse length so works with every PC.
2)VISEA uses multi-thread technology, resulting in accurate time stamping.
3)VISEA has been developed with the help of surveyors and looks familiar 
with
the well known "TRANSECT"; Changing over is easy and simple.
VISEA offers the possibility to check the functionality of the ADCP before
deployment. Simple and easy with one click of the mouse.
4)VISEA can handle any type of external sensor (gyro, pitch, roll, dGPS, 
echo
sounder, temperature and speed of sound) and decode any type of messages,
binary or ASCII. Cost involved in adjusting these kind of messages in RDI
format are higher than the cost of buying VISEA.
5)VISEA generate raw, processed and ASCII files. These formats are identical
with those of "TRANSECT". The older files are interchangeable.
6)VISEA generates every deployment a unique log-file with all the settings 
and
calibration data (CFG file).
7)VISEA generates a ADCP test log-file with all the test results.
8)VISEA logs all external data in separate files.
9)VISEA generates every deployment a file with the data of all the external
sensors linked with the ADCP ensembles.
10)VISEA can read and post process all file formats generated by RDI 
software
(Windows or DOS).
11)VISEA calculates the discharge in real-time using dGPS and/or 
bottom-track as
reference. Useful with moving bottom.
12)VISEA measures the velocities with dGPS as reference as accurate as with
bottom-track.

Pedro Moreira
Hydrologist and System Analyst
CPRM - Rio de Janeiro
55 21 2546-0352


> Hello all,
> I wanted to share a few observations about GPS/ADCP data co-registration
> issues with WinRiver; this was supposed to be a short and to-the-point
> email, but it seems to have turned into a bit of a rant.  So, I will
> repeat the punch line upfront to save time.
>
> Take Home Message:
> I believe that the problems people are experiencing with their serial
> cards/converters is really just a manifestation/exacerbation of WinRiver?s
> data acquisition/synchronization issues.
>
> Disclaimer:
> First, I should say that I have not used WinRiver lately, so if a
> dramatically new version has come out that has addressed these issues, I
> apologize.
>
> And now the rest:
> I have also experienced issues with windows XP using a serial to USB
> converter (I think connect tech) that worked flawlessly on windows 2000
> machines.  Using windows XP, my converter ?miss-translates? several
> samples of data to the USB (?fake serial?) buffer before it gets it right,
> so that I am reading good data packets several (1-8) samples after
> acquisition begins.  If I was using a data acquisition program that waited
> for a new data event of a different buffer (such as the ADCP buffer?), and
> then scanned the converter?s buffer (perhaps used for a GPS?) for an end
> of communication character, and then time stamped the communication
> preceding that character with the data from the other (ADCP) buffer, then
> I would wind up with a data stream with two pieces of data time stamped
> together but consistently lagged.
>
> I believe that some version of the above scenario is the cause of the
> problems people are reporting in using WinRiver with the new converters. I
> havn?t played around with the newest version of WinRiver and a converter
> to verify this, but I feel moderately comfortable making this assumption,
> because every version of WinRiver I know of uses that same basic data
> acquisition algorithm that samples all instrument buffers at the same rate
> as the ADCP buffer, and then gives them the same time stamp as the ADCP
> data.  In addition, the program allocates fairly small buffers and doesn?t
> appear to multithread robustly, so if the user generates enough high
> priority mouse or keyboard events, data is lost due to overruns, possibly
> resulting in increased synchronization errors.  If you look closely at
> WinRiver data (or at least the versions of WinRiver I have used), you will
> see that the GPS boat track and the ADCP data are never correctly
> synchronized at high data rates, but most people don?t notice/care because
> they are averaging enough pings/ensembles that the associated GPS fix
> usually ends up falling within the temporal window of the reported ADCP
> sample.
>
> Randal Dinehart at the USGS California Water Science Center, Sacramento,
> is an expert on the WinRiver ADCP ? GPS synchronization problem, and on
> methods of manually post processing the data to fix boat tracks.  If
> anyone wants to talk to an expert on dealing with this problem, I would
> suggest they contact him.  However, be forewarned that, by its very
> nature, the process of post-processing large data sets to develop new boat
> tracks can be very time consuming and fairly complicated.
>
> I think that the long term solution to this problem is a mature rewrite of
> (or replacement for) WinRiver, so that each instrument?s buffer is sampled
> and times-stamped independently (not to mention robustly and correctly),
> and then written to a data base separately.  (Also, GPS data should be
> time stamped based on the time reported in its data string, not the time
> it is read from a buffer.)  This asynchronous data could then be entered
> into a state-space model/filter to produce truly robust estimates of the
> system?s state at the time (sub second) of the ADCP sample.  This would
> allow the combination of boat track and bottom track data, allow the user
> to integrate multiple ADCPs into one acquisition package, and perhaps add
> a HPR sensor that doesn?t have as high a time lag as the ADCPs
> electrolytic sensor (or at the very least, try to cleverly filter the
> ADCPs HPR sensor).  In short, I am ranting in favor of a data acquisition
> package that allows the user to take full advantage of the capabilities of
> all types instrumentation relevant to hydrodynamic/hydraulic research,
> rather than a data acquisition program developed around the capabilities
> and requirements of one specific instrument manufactured by one company,
> and origionaly written for computers with capabilities equivalent to
> today?s high end PDAs.
>
> I believe that on the cutting edge of environmental science, the quality
> of our science is constrained by the quality of our data, and the quality
> of our data is determined in part by the instrumentation we use, and the
> software we use to communicate with that instrumentation.  At this point
> in time, the capabilities of our scientific hardware, computers, and our
> researchers have outpaced WinRiver, so that researchers interested in
> higher order processes must either tiptoe around WinRiver so as not to
> upset the delicate balance between the timing of buffer reads (ie, not
> touching the computer during acquisition, not upgrading operating systems,
> eliminating background programs, not using certain serial cards, etc), or,
> write custom software to replace WinRiver or extensively post-process
> WinRiver data to back out errors.
>
> I could go on, but this email already takes up enough inbox space, so I
> will summarize by saying: I believe that the problems people are
> experiencing with their serial cards/converters is really just a
> manifestation/exacerbation of WinRiver?s data acquisition/synchronization
> issues.
>
> Thanks for your time,
> Aaron Blake
> San Francisco Bay/Delta Hydrodynamics
> USGS, California Water Science Center, Sacramento
> ablake at usgs.gov
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